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Amanda Elsdon-Dew
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi, I bought two of these, which are the latest in flea and tick control, and were recommended to me by our vet, who said that is what he uses for his dog. The dogs have been wearing them for about 5 days and I have just found two very strongly living ticks on dinah and so Googled Seresto to see how normal this is, and it seems that it is reasonably normal because it takes a a week or so for the anti tick chemicals to build up in the dog's body. However I am now pretty horrified to have read quite a few reviews (on Amazon) from owners who said that the collar worked very effectively as far as killing ticks and fleas go but their dogs had horrendous reactions, ranging from sores on their necks to lethargy, staggering etc, which only got better once they removed the collars. I did read the instructions first which said that a reaction was possible but only 1 in 10,000 dogs would react, which seemed OK, so am I now over reacting from just reading about the tiny percentage of dogs who have reacted, or is it in fact m ore of a problem than the manufacturers admit to? Anybody know more?
the vet also gave the dogs this new vaccine which the papers are currently warning can have very serious consequences if given to puppies. I am due to take the dogs back for follow up jabs in a few weeks for that one. Anyone know more about that too? Versican Plus L4. It is worrying if you can't trust your vet.
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We have used these collars for several years on the vets recommendation as the dogs reacted badly to the liquid flea and tick lotions. We also needed a boost to their protection as we spend several months in France each year. I have found one tick but the collar was due to be changed. We now use these in the Summer but use the 3 monthly tablets as well throughout the year. I trim their hair back around their necks to get the collar closer to the skin but have to check them regularly as they work loose over time and need to be fairly tight. They are regularly available here in France.
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Amanda, try looking at Canine-health-concern.org.uk. A whole host of info on there. I am now of the opinion after reading a lot of info that dogs are being over-vaccinated & so am not doing mine. I know though that some kennels won't take dogs who are not vaccinated, so that may not be an option for some.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Way to go.....another convert to canine health!
You just need to get them titer tested and kennels should be happy with that.
I have all mine tested and they are always at the top of the scale.....and they have only ever had one vaccination at 6 months.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am so glad to read the posts by Debs & maxnik. I was going to post the same information. But as its been on the website soooo many times before, I thought most people realised this by now.
It's so upsetting to read of so many people over vaccinating, over worming, over doing so many chemicals on their dogs not to forget the over amputations.
I know we have to have some faith in the conventional vets but PLEASE could people at least consider alternative choices. There are other ways rather than constantly poisoning your dog's body. Please question the suggestions of your vet and if something very serious...get a second or third opinion.
Canine Health Concern is definitely a good start.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I personally hate having to vaccinate my 2 Briards yearly, but as I have insurance for them I have no choice, if I dont vaccinate it invalidates my insurance! If you have any idea how to get round this problem I would be very happy to hear it!
I feel that I have to have insurance, as there is no way I can afford huge vet bills!
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I do the homeopathic NOSODES "vaccination". You could check to see if your insurance accepts complementary vaccinations or find one that does. I, personally, don't have insurance as years ago I started a separate account for my dogs. I put in money monthly into an account then ISA. I don't touch it unless there's an expensive vet issue. Thankfully I rarely have had to use that and the money carries over when a dog "passes". I found too often the problems weren't covered by insurance plus several companies stop when the dog reaches a certain age (generally when needed most) and then all the money you invested in insurance means nothing & "disappears".
Also, sometimes, the vets do far more procedures (unnecessary?) when they know the dogs are insured. Obviously, the choice is yours.....
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Finlay now has the 3 monthly chewable Bravecto tablet to protect him against fleas and ticks, as I worry about things like Lymes disease, and I also give him chewable worming tablets. I give the latter monthly, rather than 3 monthly, as this also protects him against lungworm. I have always vaccinated my dogs. St Helens has a bad record for Parvo Virus and canine influenza (kennel cough). Maybe I'm paranoid, but I want to protect him, especially while he is little and hasn't built up any resistance to such things.
As for insurance, Finlay is covered for life with Petplan. They are not cheap, but they always pay out and your premiums just rise with inflation and not according to how old your pet is or how many claims you have made. In fact, with Oscar and Hugo, we (unfortunately for Petplan and my poor boys) had to claim back more money than we had actually put in. I do, however, agree that vets can rush to offer all sorts of things when they know you are insured. For example, Hugo had 2 CT scans in his last 12 months - the second followed an x-ray showing a shadow on his lung which turned out to be a blood vessel (and surely visible on the first CT scan). There is a lot to be said for just having your own account into which you put the money you would have paid to your insurer, but you need to have the self-discipline to save that amount regularly and not be tempted to dip in to it for other emergencies!
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I've used Bravecto before, seemed good. All ticks that attached died pretty much right away and our dogs did not show any side-effects. Ofc nothing is 100% safe from sideeffects, but ticks are quite a risk as well if you dont use anything.

I wonder tho, how do you guys manage your briards in general. As im hoping to get one now and my previous experience is with shorter-haired dog.. (well Schnauzers which does have some fur but..yeah not so much). I think it will be quite hard to spot the creepy crawlies in a black Briard fur, no? Im really not very psyched to get hitch-hikers into the house.. :/ I suppose in combination with Bravecto, I'd giv'er a comb-thru after being out and about, but that doesnt feel like its very thorough either..
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When you brush a briard, you lift the hair up and brush it down in sections, so you see the skin and can spot them. You can also feel them, so you just have to run your hands over your dog's body regularly. You can miss them when they first attach, as they are tiny when not engorged with blood, so it's good to have your baby protected as, although the ticks will still attach, they will die once they've got a bellyful. Then when you spot one, a tick hook is, in my experience, the easiest way to remove it. You just hook it under the tick, twist anti-clockwise and it comes out. You can't just pull on the tick's body or you'll leave the head to rot under the skin which can cause a nasty spot. You shouldn't ever be tempted to put anything on the tick, as this can aggravate them and make them regurgitate all of their bacteria into your dog. Most briard owners become tick experts pretty quickly! Our boys always got them when on holiday in Scotland, but our vet has seen them in our local park!
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P.S. Finlay's breeder, Steve, offered to have the first vaccinations done at 6 weeks. I wanted this, as it meant Fin could have his second injection at 10 weeks and go out at 11 weeks. Steve's vet was going to use Versican plus L4, but the pup's injections have to be the same brand and most of our vets were using Nobivac, so Steve found a vet using Canigen plus L4 which is the same as Nobivac plus L4. Not heard anything bad about Versican, Amanda, but I don't think it's widely used.
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Ruth Richardson wrote:
When you brush a briard, you lift the hair up and brush it down in sections, so you see the skin and can spot them. You can also feel them, so you just have to run your hands over your dog's body regularly. You can miss them when they first attach, as they are tiny when not engorged with blood, so it's good to have your baby protected as, although the ticks will still attach, they will die once they've got a bellyful. Then when you spot one, a tick hook is, in my experience, the easiest way to remove it. You just hook it under the tick, twist anti-clockwise and it comes out. You can't just pull on the tick's body or you'll leave the head to rot under the skin which can cause a nasty spot. You shouldn't ever be tempted to put anything on the tick, as this can aggravate them and make them regurgitate all of their bacteria into your dog. Most briard owners become tick experts pretty quickly! Our boys always got them when on holiday in Scotland, but our vet has seen them in our local park!


Yeah, I know when theyre attached.. My thought was about figuring out how to best find the crawling ones after an outing. Ive heard from several people that Bravecto seems to work in a preventing way as well tho, as theyve noticed alot less creeping ticks on their dogs as well, not just them being killed when they attach.

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P.S. Finlay's breeder, Steve, offered to have the first vaccinations done at 6 weeks. I wanted this, as it meant Fin could have his second injection at 10 weeks and go out at 11 weeks. Steve's vet was going to use Versican plus L4, but the pup's injections have to be the same brand and most of our vets were using Nobivac, so Steve found a vet using Canigen plus L4 which is the same as Nobivac plus L4. Not heard anything bad about Versican, Amanda, but I don't think it's widely used.


May I ask what you mean by "he could go out at 11 weeks" ?
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I mean for walks. They usually have to wait until a week after their final injections. Vaccinations are usually given at either 6 and 10 weeks or at 8, 10 and 12 weeks and we were only collecting Fin at 10 weeks of age. I wanted to get him socialised as soon as possible, although you can of course do this in your own house and garden by inviting lots of people and vaccinated dogs round (which we did from the moment we got him).
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We have never heard of Seresto collars but after googling them, they appear to be similar to the Scalibor collars we used to use on Norbert. At the time, Scalibor was the only effective prevention against Southern European ticks and sand flies which can kill dogs in hours. The only adverse reaction Norbert had from the collar was his fur becoming knotted as the collar was rubber. We presume it was effective as a deterrent as we never found any ticks or parasites on him. There have been a lot of complaints against the Scalibor collar causing rashes, etc but I have never heard from anyone in France experiencing problems.

We subsequently changed to using Advantix as it had become as effective and we did not have the knotting problem.

Our vet has now recommended we use Vectra 3D to replace the Advocate and Advantix combination as it covers everything apart from lungworms.

We will start it in September so will see how we go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry, one more comment.

Reading about side effects from drugs is a dangerous pastime and could stop you taking any as it did for a friend of ours in France.

I was given some drugs a few years ago and among the many side effects they could cause, there were:
Constipation
Diarrhoea
High blood pressure
Hair loss
Swelling
Shortness of breath
Etc, etc

And, more importantly for me, a male, "lactation"!!!!!!!

Since these leaflets are drafted to ensure that the companies cannot be sued so they are a c.y.a. Job, I now ignore them.

I trust our vet implicitly based on our experience of the last 8 years and I do not think she would prescribe anything to us I she thought there was an issue.
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Oh, and the most important one, DEATH!
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Oh, and the most important one, DEATH!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks all for the many comments. We've been away, in France, poor poor France at the moment, actually in a wonderful sleepy friendly old fashioned sort of an area, Gascony, and have collected the dogs from their new kennels where they were I'm glad to say absolutely fine, and are lying as I type stretched out side by side. We asked for them to be in separate kennels since Dinah can pester Brion when she is bored, and we thought it rather unfair on him that he wouldn't be able to get away from her, and it was touching to see that she wanted to see him more than me when she came over to us on her release.
Re jabs and things I do appreciate all the various bits of advice, and am still pondering. Like David, we tend to be very particular about our vet, and then take their advice. I think we have found such a person, who has been v good with Brion and Dinah recently but am still reassuring myself as much as poss, hence the post.
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