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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi All,

Keen to get your collective thoughts on what happened yesterday.

We have a lovely 20 month old boy who's not neutered. He gets plenty of exercise and is a loved member of the family. Only gripe to date is his obsession with other dogs when out walking - he's got pretty hopeless manners!

Yesterday I took him out in the boot of our car to the stables to muck out the horse, before going for a walk. My daughter (11) decided to jump into the boot with him for the final 50 yard stretch up a private track. As soon as we set off, with them both in the boot, he growled and went for her.

I understand that testosterone will be high at his age - and that he may regard the boot as 'his' space - but it's caused a shock in the family, and, as responsible owners I want to make sure that we do the best for us all.

What do you think? Our fault for letting her travel with him - his fault, should we neuter, re-house? Is this behaviour normal in young boy Briards?

Any thoughts gratefully received..

ST


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm sorry but it's your fault not the dogs, you should never have put either of them in that position, I would never shut a child and any dog in a small space.

Hope your daughter is OK.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have owned dogs for many years. I have always made it clear that I allow them to go, use, eat etc what I allow them. I always, when they are puppies insist on getting into the cage, even if they are in it. When my daughters were little they would get in the cage and also sit on the dogs bed, take their toys off them and remove the food bowls from them whilst they were eating. In the car the dogs always go into the boot and the same has happened with that as well. I never allowed the girls to do this unless I was close by.
My neighbour's daughter used to come in and play with Poppy when she was in nappies and not once did I think that she was in any danger at all. When her brother was born Poppy would lay next to him so he could kick her and if we moved him away, she would move next to him.
I think you need to go back to basics and re-train him to understand that it is not his domain.
I would try this and maybe castration. I don't think re-homing is the way to go at this stage as you put them both into a position that they proberbly had not been in before and he most likely thought the boot space was his and his alone.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am sorry to hear of your problems.
First of all contact your breeder who should be extremely helpful and normally have lots of advice.
I am afraid I would have made my daughter stay in the car with her seatbelt on.
However, you say he has not got any manners but do not stipulate in what way? Is it when out walking, does this mean he is pulling, scared of things he would normally pass, or is chasing cars etc? For the pulling have a look on the web for a dogmatic they are wonderful and do not hurt their eyes like a halti, they are designed very similar to a horses headcollar. They are not cheap about 24.99. but worth every penny.

If he has suddenly become scared of things, this is normal and reasurrance and encouragement work wonders. Has he been well socialised and been to classes such as ring craft, obedience etc? These are worth their weight in gold even if you know what you are doing, as they help socialise them with other dogs and people.

Brenda wilkinson whom is on this site, is valuable at helping with problems; however it depends where you live. We need a little more info in order to try and work out what is going on, as it sounds like there is a little more to it, it could be something which spooked him and you have not realised. I think it is a little early to say about re-homing and his issues would need addressing first if there are any. Unless you have decided he is too much for you, which is fine, much better to say before the problem becomes an issue with a much older dog.

Does he normally behave out and about and in the home? Breeders have a wealth of knowledge and if not close by we usually know other breeders who will help. Do not give up hope and I am sure once it is looked into in further detail will be something you did not realise or can be resolved with ease. Many times it is something you have not been shown and had no idea to do. Please feel free to message me if you need any more help. He is still extremely young, so I am sure he felt cornered or the situation was not right, of course it should not happen and he should not do it, but it is worth bearing in mind it is not always their fault.
I am happy to help where I can.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Many thanks for all your responses.

I've spoken to the breeder and to a behaviour therapist - and we have a plan.

In answer to a few of your questions - he's not apparently scared or shy. He will growl at the occasional stranger until reassurance is given that it's not his responsibility, but he seems as sensible as you can expect from a Briard.

The bad manners I mentioned are really that he obsesses over other dogs. If he sees one - he has to know where it is is, and will want to say hello. Not surprisingly many of these dogs don't really want a big hairy Briard storming upto them at 100mph (and will let him know this), the other downside is that he's pretty good at catching you off-balance as he suddenly lurches towards an unsuspecting spaniel to say hello.. I'll have a look for a dogmatic.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Fabulous, it sounds like you are half way there already. He actually sounds like a typical boisterous Briard, full of life and ready to have fun.

It will be more than likely something obvious, or seemingly quite simple once you have been shown what to do, plus each dog is different. Boys can be quite sensitive, so it is finding the way to make him learn manners which suit him best.

I know exactly what you mean by others not wanting a huge dog bounding up to them, some people say they are like a horse! You must feel so relieved. I am so very happy to hear your breeder is on board as they can advise or usually know someone who lives near to you which can help.

Keep us posted, anything I can do to help all you have to do is ask. You will get there and do not be disheartened. You are not alone!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm glad you have experts on the case. Good luck! Amanda

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi ST,
I just wondered how things were going, did you manage to source a dogmatic? I just had a thought too, if you ring the kennel club, they will send you a list of obedience clubs etc which are close to where you live. It could be something your daughter may enjoy doing with him too. I am sure he was just spooked and things are going in the right direction, if I can help in anyway all you have to do is ask.

Many thanks

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