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Richard & Chelle
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi all! I stumbled across a very old post today, which has quite disturbed me, it was to do with a Briard being put to sleep as a result of being overly aggressive towards people - on one occassion it even bit the owner on the wrist revealing the white of his bone!
I then searched this site looking for other such behaviour, and although i haven't found anything as bad there are other accounts of trouble with biting, growling etc.
I was just wondering how common these things really are amongst the breed? And whether these incidents are just extreme cases?
Thanks for your time!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Richard & Chelle

From my experience I can say it is extremely rare that a Briard would need to be put down due to aggression. A well socialised and well treated Briard will be the most loyal and trust worthy creature I could ever think of. As with any dog there are reasons why they sometimes become aggressive. This could be due to upbringing, treatment, jealousy, medical etc.

We have always socialised our dogs, always treated them well and always made them part of the family but they do know their place in the pecking order as they should do. We have had them before our kids and we still have them and they love their family to bits!

With regard to biting and other issues these are mainly down to training, where it was funny when the little puppy was biting your hands now when they are 6 months or 12 months it is not so funny anymore as they are much bigger and have much bigger teeth. But how is this dog to know it was wrong as he was 'educated' that this is acceptable play behaviour.

The same for growling, mainly down to training and up bringing, i.e. removing of food when they are puppies will ensure that they know who is the leader, will make them understand that food can be taken away by anyone. Very important if you have children as most 'fights' are over food!

So in general it is mostly down to correct upbringing of a dog, where people say Briards are not for everyone is that a Briard is sometimes too intelligent for his / her own good. What I mean with that is they will question what you are trying to teach them and might not accept it, if you are not strong enough to 'enforce' the rules set out from the moment they come into your life they will take over, something you would not want to happen!

Hope that helps to answer your question, they are the most loyal and adorable dogs in the right hands.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I totally agree with Paul - these cases are very few, but in Germany they are on the B list dangerous dogs and have to be muzzled in public - not the case in the UK as we are very luck in that the breeders behind our current dogs have taken steps to ensure that they only breed from good temperament and as much as possible guided the new owners on the way they bring up there dogs so that this does not happen.

Personally I spend a lot of time with a litter socializing them from the beginning and encouraging the new parents to carry on with the same. Like all strong character breeds they do need to know there place in the family and as Paul has said treat them correctly and start off as you mean to go on. Stop all unacceptable behaviour from the beginning, but not by aggression but by correction.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for clearing that up! I think the worst thing would be to have to give a Briard away and thought it was best to ask about it now before we get one. It means we can work on the behaviour from a young age!

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

slightley off point here but i strongley agree having had dogs most of my life. this is my first briard. But he came from a good strain. i digress. the point is we know a little colie who is now a few months old and has been agresive for ages. i had to go to the house the other day and it came to the door with the owner and fled at me. Shocked I have nasty bruses on the leg and hand. fortunatley not broken skin. They say it is well trained. Well it cannot be if if does that. She said it is protective. Yeah, no appology or nothing. i shall not be going there again. It has also had my hubby outside. As we have said it is down to the breeding and the owners.
I did hear of one that had to be rehomed with just one owner and he was a very happy briard afterwards. I am the alfa male here and have to keep on top of Jasper. He is very palcid. but am sure he would start to be dominant if not checked. They do have to be taught at a very early ages what is acceptable or not.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Funny tho' , both of my brothers have been postmen, and both are avid dog lovers.Both have been bitten a number of times by dogs whilst doing their rounds.Nearly all the owners said they were not aggresive dogs, and only disliked the postie. Yes natural enough to be on guard and protective but why just the mail man?Perhaps they are not lovers of the Royal Mail uniforms Question Having said that none were Briards.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have heard people say that the post man is never invited inside your house and that is why they bark and get upset. It my two meet the post man on the road when walkiing they are fine with him. Just an idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Jasper doe not dislike postie. he barks at everyone. when he has full voice Laughing I had a rhodesian ridgeback many years ago now. she flew at the side window and broke it trying to get the postie. . ouch. Rolling Eyes

It was our old cat who used to atack the postie. he would jump of the garage roof onto his back. Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

On Saturday I came across the first other Briard I've seen here in France since we've had Claude. I was at the training/agility class which I've been going to for about a month and the owner of a beautiful fawn briard came to speak to me. She asked if I'd let Claude meet her briard as she was having aggression problems - she was right, her briard snarled, growled and leapt up at Claude. She said she'd had her from a puppy and it wasn't her first briard but the first which had been aggressive. Claude, thankfully didn't take much notice of her and I didn't let him pay too much attention and kept him away once I saw how bad she was. This lady also has two other dogs (the briard is fine with them) which are no problem at all and the briard is fine with children and other people, it's just other dogs. I have to say I've been surprised here in France at how many aggressive dogs there seem to be across all breeds. I don't know this lady but maybe it is the way the dog has been handled, difficult to say as she seemed to know what she was doing with the dogs when I watched her working with them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Postmen are considered a big success to dogs. They come to the door, dog barks and they go away again. Big result!! The dog doesn't understand the bit about postmen only coming to put letters through the door and think their barking is causing the postie to retreat. We always took out puppies out to meet the postman from the first instant and this seems to help.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

i spose ive been lucky my two bri rds (lol i h ve one key missing c n you guess which ) they do jump up when we h ve folks round but they dont bite only once my boy bit hubby but only coz we wernt getting on he only w nted to tell him we were cross wuz il too with u gr ss seed in his eer but i wouldnt hve him put down no w y gutted i love my dog more thun hubbie lol shh

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi All! Thanks again for all your responses they're a great help!
It seems the case I read and wrote briefly above is an extreme case compared to all the other reports and observations. And there are many great tips here, as well as on other links in this site, which have helped put our minds completely at rest.
On the whole the case above where a Briard was so aggressive it's loving owners felt they had no choice but to put it down is incredibly rare. It is a tragic and upsetting story, but the fact that there are so many loving Briards out there (which are often said to be a heart wrapped up in fur!) is a true testament to what an amazing breed of dog this is! Thanks again for all your time! R & C Very Happy
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