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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Georgie, our little girl is 7 and a half years old, slight at 23.5kg. Generally very alert and active ( whilst at the same time liking a lie down ... with us !! ) has recently found it a little difficult to get up and seems very stiff initially when moving. However improves a little with gentle exercise. Motions good. Went to the vet, young vet gave two injections after suspecting mild arthritus. Paws and joints were checked and one rear leg was found to be a little stiff, hence injections. Next day revisit vets, and another check by a second vet who prescribed NOROCLAV tablets ( 4 Days ) and gave us some LOXICOM to put on food (10ml ) given by weight. A week later another visit to another vet ( all same practise ) who again checked joints but also added that her back was sore. More LOXICOM prescribed ( 32ml ) going back in two weeks. She does not seem to be much better. Georgie nevertheless still manages to jump onto our sofas ae well as coping with the stairs. We have been told to give her a gentle walk of 10 to 15 minutes a couple of times a day, on the lead. Does this ring a bell with anyone - we have had briards since 1978 and none have suffered like this.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

hi, I'm sorry to hear that Georgie is a bit stiff. Given her age and the symptoms described it does sound like arthritis. You could try looking at joint supplements. I have heard anecdotally that Yumove is good. The Royal Vetniary college are running a study on it with positive results so far but it's quite expensive.
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Hugo is a similar age, 8 at the end of March, but he is a big Briard, more like Newfoundland size. He is also a bit stiff when getting up after a snooze. I haven't really worried about it, as I am the same and, at fifty, I must be at a similar stage of life to him! He still charges round like an over-excited puppy when he feels like it. He grunts when he jumps out of the car now, so I tend to support him when he's doing this, so his landing is not so heavy (Even my husband can't lift him! We may have to invest in a ramp soon!)
At his annual check-up/booster in September, the vet did ask about any stiffness and she said, with such a big dog, it was time he moved onto senior food which is better for joints. Not that he was particularly fat at 52 kilos, but he has lost some weight since changing over and this can't be bad for his joints either. If Georgie is nearly 8, you're probably thinking of moving her on to senior food soon. If so, you might find you need to give her a slightly bigger portion to what she has now to prevent any unwanted weight-loss.
I know with humans, they recommend you keep on moving for arthritis (and lose any surplus weight), so I'm sure gentle exercise is a good thing.
Sorry I can't offer any advice, but I would be interested to know how Georgie goes on, so I'm prepared for potential problems with Hugo.
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When Amber was about the same age she started to crying sometimes when she got up after a nap. So we gave her "Vetzyme Flexible joints with Glucosamine Tables" from Pets @ Home. They did help her a lot.
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I would just like to say that my TT injured her back leg a while ago (pulled muscle or something similar), she also has slight arthritis in her hips. After seeing a video of a Bearded collie (Rusty on FBC Beardie site) who had been taking Yumove supplements, I decided to put Sally on them. All I can say is BRILLIANT. They are not cheap, on animed-direct, they are 32.99 for 300. The difference after a few weeks was noticeable, & now months later she is like a puppy. (She is 14 and a half), she has even had a little run now & again. We have had her on similar supplements due to age etc, but these work for her.
Hope it is nothing serious with Georgie, but you may like to look into Yumove. Good luck.

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Two years ago my big boy was cannoned into and rolled over by two other dogs, he got up fine but later started to go short and then limp. The vet immediately said that he had arthritis in his elbows and hips and put him on pain killers. The next step was x-rays!!! As he had always been very fit and very active I took this with a pinch of salt and luckily met up with a Canine Massage Therapist. She went over him and found he had severe muscle spasms and knots down his front leg over his back and down his hamstrings. After just two massage treatments the difference was amazing. He needed several top ups over a couple of months but now has a check up once or twice a year and the last one in December on his 9th birthday he was fine. He flies round the fields and can turn on a sixpence! So please don't despair. Look up the canine massage guild and see if you have one near you - if there is no problem with muscles you will know to go down another route. I also give Zeta RIAFLEX Canine Joint Plus (on the internet) it is a powder that goes on his feed and is very high in Glucosamine, MSM and Chondroitin, brilliant stuff - some of the cheaper brands have not got such high percentages in.

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Thanks for the information and support Kathy.
To quickly recap the present position, Georgie is having an extended 2 week course of LOXICOM ( given directly before food ). Her appetite seems to be down - but she scoffs hard boiled eggs and dog biscuits.We want to try some of the supplements mentioned yet feel we must exhaust the LOXICOM first. But today when walking a short distance her back end seemed to collapse when just stepping down a kerb. She recovered and walked well..ish so perhaps did'nt see the kerb but my heart sank. She is so beautiful. We are going to search for a canine massage therapist as Georgie, like Zeta, was very quick and agile. Yesterday she managed 3 goodish short walks, initially stiff but soon becoming less so, yet no where near her old self. Also, we keep telling ourselves that humans take time to shake off muscle aches.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That definitely sounds like a back problem, doesn't it, if it happened when stepping off a kerb? If the current treatment isn't successful, perhaps you can ask to be referred to a back specialist since your vet has already acknowledged that her back is sore? Hope she is soon back to her bouncy self.
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My girl now aged 9 has occasional stiffness and limp nothing too sever but vet couldn't find anything so I took her too a McTimoney Chiropractor who manipulated her back hips and spine and she has been greatly improved. A couple of treatments and a yearly maintenance visit and she's fine. Could be worth a visit for her.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just thought about doing this. Georgie http://youtu.be/ijZTjU_XQSo can be seen on her lead in our back garden. She has just had a 5 minute stroll and loosened up quite a bit, however she remains a bit tight / stiff . Thanks for the LOXICOM advice Kathy, very helpful as well as the comments regarding her back. This is why we wanted to show Georgie on the video, especially going in and out of the house, quite a big step, and without collapsing. Have noticed that she is tending to hold up her rhs rear leg when she gets up ( reminded me of an old Jack Russell I had as a child ). Do I need to get back to the vets before next checkup - due on 29th WED?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi John

I have just been watching your video of Georgie, thank you for posting it.

A couple of things I have seen, that may just be the way the camera picks up her movement.

In the first section of video when she is walking towards the camera in the garden, she is not weight bearing equally on her front legs, she is favouring her (when looking directly at her) right leg and reducing weight on her left leg.

When walking away from camera 0.30 seconds, when she stands square onto camera she stumbles adjusting her rear leg positioning.

Again it may be an illusions of the camera, or the wind has fluffed up her coat, but she seems to have a slight roaching of the back

In the section exiting and re entering the house, she is favouring the stronger front leg, and also the stronger rear, both on the same side.

If she were my girl, I would take her back sooner, although she seems bright enough and happy enough in herself.

Can I ask, if you look at her rear feet, is she wearing her nails equally on both feet? or wearing the hair away on the tops of the toes on 1 foot?
When she squats for a week, does she still squat as low as she did before you noticed this, and does she squat with both knees bent equally?

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I have watched your video and as you say this is taken after a 5 minute loosen up and she is on her pain relief medication I would definitely take her back to the vets and have her thoroughly checked out.Briards are very stoical as a breed she must be in quite alot of discomfort.

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Hello everyone, just to let you know that earlier tonight spoke to the emergency vet about Georgie and her symptoms and arranged an early morning visit. Once done Georgie must have felt a little peckish as she had some food, then the LOXICOM followed by more food. Eager to get her to the vet - will report back.
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Good luck with her visit to the vets. Let's hope she can be sorted out quickly.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

hi

Just a thought - take the video with you to show the vet - it may help immensely. We did something similar with Norbert and the vet thought it was really helpful.

Good luck.
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Good Luck, at the vets this morning hope something is sorted out soon.
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Okay, Georgie has had a thorough checkover again, vet optimistic but nevertheless concerned when she saw the video. Vet noticed Georgie's movement problems and, as suggested here on this forum, spotted her reluctance to put any weight on her front rhs leg, I also mentioned her RHS left leg. We had bloods taken with further x-rays on Monday morning subject to the results of the blood tests. The vet gave her a steroid and a strong painkiller injection ( two injections ) and has told us to rest her but at the same time try and keep her mobile. Good news is that Georgie's motions are good indicating no problems with her stomach, which is also not tender. Her weight is constant. Vet took temperature as well but did'nt comment so we assume it was okay. She also checked her joints, rear legs rather inflexible, front joints caused no obvious discomfort. Vet inclined to think along neurological lines which seems to be possible. However blood tests will help pin things down ( also may help with future medicinal treatments ).
Guess that is all for now, roll on Monday. Had to make a cake last night to take our minds off everything. Thanks again to everyone for your kind words and support, all very very much appreciated. Welling up now so better get off.
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Hope everything goes well at the vets fingers crossed for you.
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Fingers and Paws crossed that Monday brings some positive news.

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So glad your vet has done blood test lets hope Monday brings some answers for you. Always a worry ehen they are unwell. Hugs for you and Georgie x

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Good luck for vets on Monday. I am taking my little BB (Barney Bichon) for his blood check on Monday, so will be thinking of you. Smile

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Good luck at the vets on Monday. Fingers and paws crossed for a speedy recovery.
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We set off for the vets this morning. Last night I carried Georgie up to our bedroom so she did not strain herself getting up the stairs, as I have done for the last two or three nights. This morning, I also carried her downstairs, something she has managed before with me guiding her gently, one step at a time. I did this as a precaution because her rear left leg was hitched up again meaning she was on three legs. She rested for a while on the sofa supported by several cushions before we set off. The visit to the garden was okay, she managed to urinate and to poo. As she did so she seemed to crouch at the back end without a problem.
At the vets I lifted her from the car and she limped in to the waiting room where the vet appeared ( good that the vet actually saw the leg raised ). The vet said she "did'nt like the look of that" which was an understatement as far as I was concerned. However the good news is that her "BLOODS" were okay. So one hurdle crossed. Had to sigh the waver form before carrying her to the dog cage in preparation for the xrays. Will call them later about 1pm.
Best wishes to those other briardists who are seeing their vets this morning.
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Hi John,
We have a 13yr. old Briard, Toka. Some weeks ago he began limping and hobbling on all four legs at varying times. Back leg in particular giving way and no strength in his back (if I pressed on it his back-end collapsed). Trouble getting in and out of car, had to lift his back legs in. Very slow at getting up and sitting down. Refused evening walk. We thought it was age-related, arthritis etc., and took him to the vet who prescribed Metacam. Within a couple of days we could see an improvement and after 2 weeks of Metacam he is vastly improved. I can now press on his back quite hard and he's fine, as before it was as though he had no strength. Limping almost gone and much more active. He didn't have a problem with his appetite at all, but food has always been his absolute God so we're working on that too at the moment.

Please don't get too despondent about Georgia, if Toka can improve at 13
then your little girl can too. Wait to hear about the x-ray results. Stay positive.

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We took a deep breath and rang the vets to hear how she had got on. The receptionist said that Georgie was recovering well after the xrays and that even when anaesthetized she needed another painkiller injection as her right rear still caused her some discomfort when being xrayed. Unfortunately the vet was out on a house call so we have no further information yet. Expect to report back here early evening.
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Got everything crossed for you hope all goes well x

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Hope Georgie is ok this afternoon & that her x-rays show nothing sinister.
Good luck, keeping fingers crossed.

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Not sure what to think or what to do. The xrays showed no obvious problems. However, the prognosis seems to suggest ( in the vets opinion ) a nerve issue. A couple of ways forward have been mentioned, one to refer to a spinal specialist to investigate. it has been pointed out that they could use the dye method and xray again to ascertain if there is any pinch points with the nervous system, and / or possibly an MRA scan. The cost implications were explained and are a factor as we are both retired, but what was more concerning is that none of proposed treatment is guaranteed to solve the problem. The xrays of course do not show soft tissue information which is precisely what may be causing the problem with a restricted nerve. It was difficult to move Georgie from the car into the house and she cried out as I tried to elevate her rear end. She has to have complete rest now and the vet has given us some TRAMADOL for her, to start tomorrow. Before leaving the vets she was given a couple of injections so she will be okay tonight. We have been asked to contact the vet in a couple of days as she is really concerned with the speed of the problem, and that Georgie is in pain.
We are having to think hard and pray that she starts to improve.
Any suggestions would be very welcome, we are both rather drained by it all and cannot bear to think Georgie is in pain.
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My first question to you would be - are you insured and if you are, will your insurance cover it?

The second would be to ask if you had considered a second opinion, although it seems to me that your vet is wanting to refer to a spinal specialist anyway. This may be your only answer at this stage. Would it be worth being referred, letting the specialist examine her and then him let you know exactly how much it would all cost and then take it from there.

I hope you get the correct help for her and that she recovers very soon.

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Thanks for the comments.
Unfortunately we are not insured.
Doing more research and just seen this about using the dye,

"The problem is, myelograms can be non-diagnostic. In other words, the area of pressure may not fully show up on the x-ray and thus give an inconclusive result. In addition, a lot of creatures (humans as well as those with fur) are allergic to the dye itself so the critter undergoing the procedure may suffer severe side effects including the potential to die from it. They could suffer swelling of the cord from exposure to the dye, injury to the cord from the needle, infection which could end up as a brain infection, or at the very least, they are guaranteed an incredibly severe headache that will last for days."

..and so at this stage I would be thinking MRI maybe next with, as you say, advice based on findings. However it is still too soon to think properly, need a little time.
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Slept downstairs with her last night, kept going over to her as she is wimpering a lot and I think she is uncomfortable. Just given her a couple of tramadol capsules which she took with some hard boiled egg. She also took some dried food ( first food for a day and a half - as we fed her the day before her xrays and she had nothing on the xray day ) and has had a really good drink. At the moment she is quiet with plenty of cushions around her.
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Oh John,
We really feel for you, it's an awful feeling when you see them in pain and can't do anything for them it makes you feel so helpless. I really hope they come up with some good news soon.

A big hug to you All
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Hope Georgie is feeling better soon. I hate it when our furries are ill, we feel a bit helpless don't we?

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Just a quick observation about Georgie. She is on the sofa, very comfy basically lying down and under medication ( tramadol and loxicom ). Trying to keep her very still and resting. She is wimpering at times then seems to be okay and quiet for a while. The question I have, is that she has started to sit up, she pushes down on her front legs and sits up as if she is uncomfortable - then she lies down and shuffles a little. Mostly quiet but occasionally wimpering . Have applied slight pressure down her back with no reaction to any discomfort so a suggestion of possible spondylitous can be ruled out. It is the sitting up which I wondered about. Earlier about 3pm, managed with difficulty ( at first to move off the sofa ) to get her to the garden where she actually managed to walk ON ALL FOURS to urinate. A little wobbly but this could be the medicine.
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Tried again late to put her out and again she urinated. She did so by lowering her rear end as usual without wobbling. Bit unsteady walking back to us.
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