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newnamesg
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If a dogs testicles are undescended at 3 months of age, is there any chance that they will come down on their own?
Is there anything that can be done or is neutering the only answer?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm so sorry - I see you have taken the time to join the FBC, post a query in order to get some advice and, a week later, nobody has replied!
First of all, welcome! This IS a friendly group, although more and more people are using the Facebook page these days, rather than the website, so you might get a speedier response from there.
Just because you haven't had a response does not mean people are not interested, it just means that many people, like me, have no experience of this and can't offer any advice.
3 months to me sounds young to be thinking about neutering. I know their balls usually descend fairly early (is it around 8 weeks?) so they normally have them by the time you collect them from the breeder, but they are pretty tiny and easily missed (I didn't think Finlay's were there at first, but they were!) I've heard there are exceptional cases when it can take up to 6 months, so I would not rush into neutering. They need that testosterone while they are growing.
I would discuss it with your vet (and seek a second opinion if necessary, as they don't all say the same thing about neutering), speak to your breeder and I personally would google it, as you're bound to get lots of people who have experienced this with their dogs and how the problem was resolved.
Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you. I assume it was a matter of not a common problem.
He's only 14 weeks now, but I am quickly losing hope of them ever coming down properly on their own.
I definitely did not plan to have him neutered at all, and unless its dangerous to wait, will wait until at least 18 months. I think they said to wait until 6 months of age but they're officially not descended.

Do you have a link or can pm the link for the facebook group. I didn't know there was one.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh now you're asking! I'm not at all technical! But if you go on Facebook and search for the Friendly Briard Club, you should find it and then presumably you can click on join? It attracts far more members from all over the world, so you're bound to get some answers there.
I was honestly convinced that Fin did not have any until I read that they should have descended and then I found them! His had obviously descended normally. You can't miss them now, but they were tiny then! I would not panic until he is 6 months old, but I would just check with the vet to be sure there is no discomfort etc.
Finlay is 15 months old. Like you, we do not want to neuter unnecessarily. We have no plans to show him or breed from him, but he is a shy boy and we feel he needs the testosterone for confidence. We had a seemingly aggressive boy done at 18 months and a behaviourist later told us we should never have got it done, as it can make dogs with fear aggression more fearful (it did!), so we will only do it for medical reasons and hopefully not before he is fully mature emotionally (which I reckon is after the age of two years at least!)
How exciting to have a new pup. Is it your first briard or have you had them before? Is he fawn, black, grey or blue? We have had a fawn and a black and Fin is a grey, the off-spring of a blue (grey-born) mum and a grey (black-born) dad. He is still black at the moment, as apparently they don't change colour until about 18 months. We had to put in the usual hard work with training and socialisation, but he is growing into a truly lovely dog. I bet yours is not fully toilet-trained yet, is he? It can take a while! Don't forget to post some photos!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

P.S. I've had a quick look on line. There are forums where people say their dog's testicles dropped later (at eight months for example). It is clearly rare for them to be late, but not impossible up to the age of 12 months (although very rare after 6 months). Vets seem to say that undescended testes must be removed by the age of 4 years, as the risk of cancer is 10 times greater. Sounds to me as though you don't need to neuter before he is fully grown, but you are wise to do it if they haven't descended by then. But as I said, do ask your vet to check that they are not causing any problem at this moment in time, as well as for advice on the best time to take action, and do seek a second opinion if you are at all unsure. Hopefully they will appear soon. Fingers crossed!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi and Welcome

Firstly, this is the link to the FB page of the Friendly Briard Club Smile


https://www.facebook.com/groups/141735403255/?multi_permalinks=10155257565928256%2C10155257537713256%2C10155257420073256&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1492479604919688


With regards to your boys testicles. as Ruth has said, they may descend later, but it is more common for them not too, if they are not already present. My old Yorkie had 1 retained, and 1 that would travel up & down, some days it was present, other days it was up with the retained one :-/

I have had 2 boys with retained testicles a GSD and the yorkie as above. I neutered both, but not until I considered them mentally & physically mature.
which was 18 months for the GSD & 14 months for the Yorkie.

I would always recommend neutering of dogs with undescended or travelling testicles, as there are cancer risks, but would also not panic someone into neutering before they and their dog is ready, the risks do not greatly increase until 3-4 years

which ever way you decide to go, I would advise against neutering as early as 6 months x

Good Luck
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks, Karen! You're obviously more technically competent than me! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you both.

He is our first Briard. We're in the US but fell in love with them when we lived in Europe.
Our original intentions were to show him, but I guess that will be changing.

He's already doing all his training just in case, but I guess the bright side is we'll save a lot of money.

He is still a little shy with new things, but comes around pretty quickly. Loves people and kids.

He would be completely toilet trained if everybody would actually let him out when he tells us. But he's had very few accidents from the beginning. We have 2 other dogs, so he's outside a lot anyway.

He's black and absolutely loves to dig. Not sure how to add a picture but I will try.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The vet we go to is obviously unfamiliar with the breed in general, as aside from suggested neutering right away, she wanted to remove his dewclaws. But I assume for general vet issues they should be ok. There is only one other briard in the whole state and she is a 5 year old pet. Most people have never even heard of them before, so he's been a bit hit around town.

Apparently I can't figure out how to attach a picture so I will put it as my profile.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He is gorgeous! What's his name? I'm sure making him your profile picture is far harder (well, to me, anyway!) than uploading photos!
Briards are still pretty rare in Britain as well, compared to other parts of Europe. They can be hard work, but they are so worth it.
The toilet training can take longer than you think - even long after you think they have got it, they still have the odd accident!
It's a shame if you wanted to show him and can't, but don't lose hope just yet. And if you can't, well he will make up for it in so many ways.
I was going to ask where you were in case you could make it to the briard get-together in two weeks time, but the US is quite a long way from Carlisle! It's far enough for us (a two hour drive)!
Do post some pupdates - people always love to hear how you are getting on.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Zolton

We are hoping to move to England, still praying my husband will get the job. I was already thinking how cool it would be to join the meetup next year over there.

We originally just wanted a pet anyway, but mostly because we never had a dog we could show before (they were all rescues). So we hadn't really thought of it before him. So we'll be happy as long as he's healthy and we planned to do agility either way and he'll go to some herding weekends and stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Fab name. Yes, there are a few regular meet-ups all over the country, so you'd definitely find one within travelling distance. Will keep fingers crossed for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well possible good news, the vet today said his testicles are in and normal. Very Happy
Hopefully they stay that way. He goes back in 3-4 weeks, so if they're still in place by then I think we'll be ok.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Woo hoo! Worry over! Enjoy your boy x
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