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newnamesg
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Is that expected when they are little? Do they get more confident as they get older?
He seems like he's afraid of everything but sounds like a typical Briard when you read how they are. (He's my first.)

He's in puppy socialization classes and other than being afraid of other dogs, noises and people don't bother him too much.

He hasn't had all of his puppy shots yet so he can't be around big random groups of dogs yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi & welcome. I have not had a puppy for a while, but have met a few puppy Briards & yes, they can be quite shy. I suppose it depends on what socialisation they have had before leaving the mother. I have seen some puppy videos where they are exposed to all sorts of noises ( with toys set up, which make different noises). I met one a while back who wouldn't let me stroke her, or come over to me with my dog, but a few months later she was so much more confident & wasn't at all phased by me or my dog Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I-ve sent you a private message with some hopefully useful information.
Happy training Brenda Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

maxnick wrote:
Hi & welcome. I have not had a puppy for a while, but have met a few puppy Briards & yes, they can be quite shy. I suppose it depends on what socialisation they have had before leaving the mother. I have seen some puppy videos where they are exposed to all sorts of noises ( with toys set up, which make different noises). I met one a while back who wouldn't let me stroke her, or come over to me with my dog, but a few months later she was so much more confident & wasn't at all phased by me or my dog Smile
Good luck Smile

Thank you. He is perfect with people and kids, just not quiet with other dogs yet. But he hasn't been exposed to a lot yet since he hasn't finished his puppy series yet.
He's fine with noises too.
Does not like new things where they are not expected, or have never been before. But usually is fine with new things after he sees them once or twice.

He seems to me to be more confident as each week goes by. So I wasn't sure if maybe in a month or so he won't initially run away from everything first.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He sounds completely normal to me! You just need to do loads and loads of socialisation while his confidence is growing and you will see a real difference in time.
Our second briard, Hugo, was fine at first, then later on began to back away from other dogs and people. I didn't know what to do about it and it developed into barking and lunging at strange dogs and people when out on walks.
Finlay was shy from the start, backing away from people, ducking out of the way when anyone tried to stroke him, and he wet himself when he first met some dogs on a walk. He shrank away from a vet who declared him a "problem dog."
The amount of embarrassing, mortifying incidents I had encountered with Hugo, meant I had already got over any inhibitions I once had. Determined not to let Fin grow up to be fearful and unable to cope in social situations, I was prepared to make a complete fool of myself and so, whenever he was approached by dogs or people, I would say, really cheerfully, things like "Are you going to say hello?!" "Who is it?!" "Who's this lovely doggie?!" etc. etc. in order to reassure him that they were OK (I would make a big fuss of other dogs). At the same time, I explained to people that he was shy and asked them not to approach him or put their hands over his head, but to call him and tickle him under his chin when he came to them. I would slip them a treat, so that they could give it to him if he was brave enough to approach.
In the house, we had lots of visitors (some with friendly, vaccinated dogs, so that Fin could still meet dogs before he was actually allowed out) who were asked to come in and sit down and let him come to them. Sometimes it took a while and he often hid behind me at first, but he would usually get up the courage to go for a sniff (and be rewarded with a treat). I carried him to the door each time anything was delivered when he was tiny and then encouraged him to "Come and say hello!" when he was a bit bigger (he thinks the window cleaner is his best mate!)
I have taken Fin to the vets regularly, at least once a week at first and then once a month (I'm lucky that it's really close) so he could be weighed and fussed by the nurses. He also goes to classes (he hid behind a chair for his first session) and we are lucky enough to have a place nearby which has organised dog playtime sessions, some for puppies, some for all dogs, which have also helped him (again, he had his tail tucked underneath him and he stayed very close to me the first time he went). These sessions have been great because there are not only dogs of all sizes, but people of all ages, shapes and sizes, some in wheelchairs, and children shrieking and running around.
I took him to the groomers quite early on and asked them just to do a 20 minute session, putting him on the table, giving him a gentle brush and generally just making a fuss of him. He also went to the local dog store for a visit. I have even taken him to a hydrotherapy centre where the therapists got him in the pool for a swim, then dried him off afterwards. Anything which gets him used to different situations, with different people touching him, is all confidence-building.
Fin is now 15 months old and there is still work to do. He is still a bit shy and I continue to encourage him verbally to say hello to people (he needs no encouragement with dogs!) but he is growing into a lovely dog. He is fine when children are running or cycling past, he will go and greet people with a sniff and little lick of their hand. He went through a barking phase at class whenever another dog was doing a recall, but soon learnt that he would be taken outside for a minute whenever he did this. We are now using this in the house, as he has taken to barking at strange people coming in (the gasman etc.) He is very nosy and really wants to see what is going on, so being shut in another room for a minute when he barks soon gets the message across. Then he comes out and does his usual nice greeting (if the gasman is friendly!)
His confidence has developed to such an extent that he wants to go up and say hello to every other dog and person he sees when off the lead. Obviously, I can't allow this big, hairy black dog to go galumphing up to everyone and scaring them silly, so we are working on him staying close. Usually, all it takes is a loud and cheerful "This way!" but favourite toys are sometimes produced as an added incentive. There are also one or two dogs he isn't brilliant with. One is a French bulldog called Leon who always comes charging at him, making Fin want to leap on top of him and growl in his ear. The other is a cocker spaniel called George who always sprints away at top speed, making Fin want to chase him (and then leap on top of him and growl in his ear!) I generally try to avoid them, but occasionally I might have to put Fin on his lead to stop this nasty habit being repeated. Oh and he did have a short-lived obsession with a male brown labrador called Rolo. Fin just wanted to hump him, but Rolo is a really chilled-out, yet assertive dog who won't allow Fin to do any humping (he just spins round and pretends to bite Fin, so Fin has just stopped trying and they play really nicely with each other. He is fine with the vast majority of dogs, even getting otherwise grumpy ones to play with him!
There are bound to be little things that worry you when you have a young briard. None of us have all the answers, but hopefully, if you are prepared to discuss them, someone will have a suggestion worth trying and Brenda Wilkinson has tons of sensible, easy-to-follow advice.
They are not always the easiest of breeds, but they are so worth it. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

All great advice from Ruth and first hand from dealing recently with her young Finlay. i think the main thing is try not to worry and stay calm with them and there's lots of advice on this site for all types of issues we have with our Briards. As Ruth says they are not an easy dog but oh so worth all the work we put into them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you so much. So far he is pretty wonderful.
Our other dogs were rescues and one we were told would never be around other dogs, and now he does agility. So I know now not to believe ever comment a trainer might make, especially about a breed they really know nothing about.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

He met a dog last night on his walk and was fine. Now it was a tiny cavalier but he's actually been more afraid of small dogs than big ones. He ran right up to it. Of course I told him he doesn't like when dogs run up to him, but luckily this dog loves big dogs. So that went really well.

And he is going to try out the training class tonight. The instructor doesn't seem to think it will be a problem.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sounds like he is doing fine. Finlay was wary of every strange person and dog at first, but lots of positive meetings with both has helped him to develop into a friendly dog. I quite like the fact that he does appear a little shy (but not fearful or nervous) and takes his time to greet new people, as I prefer this to him jumping up and slobbering all over them. Obviously, it was in the back of my mind that he could develop some nervous fear aggression, but this has never happened. Just try to make every new experience a really positive one for him and his confidence will grow.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks.
He is going to observe tonight and watch all the other dogs and people and hopefully get used to them that way. Or he'll be really awesome and participate, but the fact that she said that's usually how they start out so the dogs get used to other dogs and noise and people sounds perfect to me.
Now if I can't even get him into the building, we'll know we have a huge problem, but I think he'll be ok. And/or next week. He's usually ok the 2nd time doing something or interacting, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, remember that Finlay (and several of his litter mates) hid behind the chair for the first session, but soon got the confidence to participate!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

He did freaking awesome!!!! Very Happy
She said he was the best first time puppy they've ever had.
Obviously we don't know about his conformation yet, but if he does as well as he did and we keep working with him, he should be good.
Worst case they think he'd make an awesome obedience dog.

In bigger news, I might be able to attend a meet and greet there soon Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ruth Richardson wrote:
Well, remember that Finlay (and several of his litter mates) hid behind the chair for the first session, but soon got the confidence to participate!


That is wonderful news. She said he wasn't shy at all. He only got scared when one of the big dogs barked, but we had a treat party and the 2nd time he was fine. By the end he was trying to play with the dog and they were barking at each other.

They also said it looks like he is trying to protect me as opposed to not liking the other dogs. So we'll work on that, they said easy to do especially if we start now.

So fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

He sounds fabulous. Just relax and enjoy him now. You're doing all the right things regarding the socialisation, so just keep it up. I was a bit anxious when Finlay was little, having had a briard with lots of fear issues previously, and I think at one point Brenda Wilkinson told me not to worry, as obviously the pup can pick up on any tension and start to tense up himself. Sound advice. Do keep the updates coming. It's lovely to hear how he is getting on.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I didn't take Z to any classes, but I was lucky in that I could take him out with a crowd of all kinds of dogs every day of the week. Now, he is out on long walks with an even bigger crowd and mix of dogs every Saturday and Sunday; so nothing bothers him much.

He did take a few weeks to get used to the car, but I sat in the back with him, and he got there. He was never terrible in the car; he just didn't like it so much at first: drooling. It took a couple of months or so of regular trips to to settle him. He was soon going from down south to Lancashire no problem.

I think it's just a question of time. I'm on my third dog, and they've all come out of their shells through learning to trust me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He seems to be better meeting dogs off leash, but he still backs away, barks, then paws at them, then butt up wants to play. But by that point he has usually scared the other dogs off.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Better off leash is normal in dogs. And his behaviour, IMO, is cute and perfectly fine. I don't know why the other dogs run away. Maybe he just needs, like Zizou, to have some regular playmates, who will then respond in kind.
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